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So I want to talk about show physics. I
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show that's in Oxford and then a show in
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kind of group of conferences, which is
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I can't change pages when we try to There
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should you keep? So?

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So what is the show physics? So for me,
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about physics, which involves live
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long tradition. So here's an example from
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Germany with the Magdeburg hemispheres,
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with horses and so on this was
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a well known example. So the examples I
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which is called accelerate that was
started in 2008. And it's still running.

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And it was initiated by Suzanne, she. And
she was actually supposed to talk here

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today. And unfortunately, couldn't make it
on fairly short notice for private

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reasons. And so we decided that I would
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overview talk so still want to hold work
that they've done, and I've been in

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contact with Susan she and so on the stuff
that I'm talking about hers. And the bun

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physics show, which I started with Michael
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particular, we have three different
particle physics shows. And the most

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elaborate one has been running since 2014,
which we've been traveling around Europe

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with. And then there's an organization
called euro. Well, it was called euro

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physics fund. It's now called neuroscience
fun and it's an art Who has a conference

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once a year of show science, mainly, most
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also chemists and even mathematicians, and
so on in this organization. Okay, so the

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Oxford show accelerate was started in
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supposed to be starting and started by
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And at the current clue crew includes post
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a one hour show public show stage show
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presenters on stage with lots of
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several people backstage, helping. It's
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from the audience. They encourage lots of
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a target audience, which is very broad,
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science interest is not science
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they also do special events for special
needs students. And in the one hour show,

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they have about 10 experiments here, just
a few that might look familiar. So Vanda

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graph, a cloud chamber, cathode ray tube,
you know, to show an electron beam, they

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also have an hydrogen explosion, which of
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shows you hydrogen, which you of course,
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you're a physicist, if you've been
teaching physics, and through them, they

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spin a story of how the accelerators
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that. So they want to talk about RF
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the Elysee and so they have this Plasma
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which you might be familiar with, from
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bring a fluorescent tube close to that,
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and so the electromagnetic waves from the
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the particles in the form. tubing, light
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particles energy. So that's the concept
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in the LFC. And they do it through, you
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accessible. They have a full audience demo
using beach balls where the audience does

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like a Mexican wave. And on that Mexican
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course, is lots of fun, we get a bit
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to involve the audience. And then they
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they have on stage, from click, and to
demonstrate how this these basic concepts

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once you include precision engineering
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example is superconductors and
accelerators. Why do we need them so you

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run a current wire through a current
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actually if you take this this iron this
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a simple battery, you can get this wire
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created. And so you have a problem of heat
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superconductors. And that, of course,
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nitrogen, which always is a nice, gives
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actually show you know, levitating
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make strong magnets without a heat
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combination. And so here you can see this
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or something. And here you can see the
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also the link, there's a web link, if you
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they have a description of all the
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have a full show video, which is loaded up
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it's about an hour long and gives you a
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Okay, now I want to move on. Oh, so
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did 45 shows. So they had lots of public
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presenters that they trained to do this so
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Okay, so now I wanted to talk about the
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us, this is an outreach and an educational
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us to physics students develop and present
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with them. And the beginning we did a new
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new group of students, target audiences,
kids, like from 10 to 99. We often also

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other knowledge very early. They also have
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we bring into the show. And once you've
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basically part of the bomb physics show.
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in more advanced projects. So the target
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show and bond, are actually the university
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public shows. And that's our second target
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educational project. So here's the first
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cortman, with whom I started this.
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students except one, got a PhD in physics
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the mouse, the one with the spiky hair.
She actually runs a salsa dance school

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here in Boston, which I think is also
pretty good, or very good. Okay, so about

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270 students have gone through this
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efforts. Our lecture hall physics lecture
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regularly. So roughly 85 times of estimate
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hinted that we've also been traveling all
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European Physical Society high energy
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Okay, now we're talking about particle
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anniversary of CERN, we developed the
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really more of a lecture with experiments
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always embed our shows now in a storyline.
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of physics experiments. In 2008 event
Machina, which was mentioned yesterday by

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Wu Tang, started so that's the German
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which was initially in Berlin, and we
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2008. And then traveled with that also to
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the group in in Berlin, this is on the
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balloon, you can see me with a baseball
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Okay, so then in 2012, we received a large
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funding and the DFG and which involves
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so this involves a show, a play, which is
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particle physics. And so we start with a
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two proponents travel back to Manchester
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visit Lawrence and Berkeley in the 1950s.
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the discovery of the glue on and they end
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involves 27 live experiments. They're all
explained in the show, and it's about two

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hours long. And it's been written up in
this article that you can see on the

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archive. And all the experiments are
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traveled with, with the other shoe with
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particle physics show we've traveled,
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Denmark and to Spain and then Portugal and
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this year we were going to go to Eastern
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we cancel that recently for obvious
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that next year. And so we travel with, you
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full of experiments. And so this requires
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pay for the travel and then those people
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local cost. We've also been to China once
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there. Instead, we trained local students
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using the equipment that they had. Okay,
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the left, you see a laser going to
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filters, and you can turn down the laser,
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loudspeakers in the back, and then you can
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on stage. Here, we actually use
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the permission to do that and also to
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source and this is the Jacob's Ladder
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lecture course, and you can detect the
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demonstrate it first with a match and then
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also have radioactive sources with
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with a very strong magnet, which is the
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counter, you can show that the they bend
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basically show antimatter on stage as
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experiment. This is a vacuum cannon which
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then the plexiglass box is a detector. The
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over it is the beam dumb. And just at the
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white container and that's actually a
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in German supermarket Of course, a form of
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vacuum in the pipe and then you let go
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then you have an event. And so here you
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has been fired, and then you can read out
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Okay, so that's all I wanted to say about
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since 2001, as I said, and then it's
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just do one show every one new show on
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with a new student. Okay, so now I want to
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fund started in 2006. Oh, as your physics
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the Netherlands, there's an annual meeting
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people. And most of them are also not
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museums and the like. But they're also
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universities that take part in this and
it's really a lot of fun. And so I usually

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send three or four students from the bond
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was supposed to be in Geneva. And that's
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be in Geneva. And so that's a good
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want to attend So here's just a list of
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it's from there, there are 50 different
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And this is covers basically all corners
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organization, they don't have very much
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done on a pretty low budget. And so, you
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the youth hostel or something. And so if
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I think it's a good opportunity. So that
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it's in Geneva, Switzerland to be
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together with a other science event called
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Geneva, which is basically where they do
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presentations on science. And, and it's a
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so this is an opportunity for certain
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organized by Olivier go me come go me from
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department at the University of Geneva.
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Thanks so much Herbie. So let me just
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problem. Perfect timing. Amazing.

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Does anyone have any questions for Herbie
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need to talk.

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So Connie, go ahead. Can you hear me?
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I did not know any of that. I'm at CERN in
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about science me in Geneva. So I've been
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I can send you the slides also.

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Yeah, very cool. I wondered if you have
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people doing these shows about how to
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because I must In a lot of your shows, I
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interactive element to it. So you've got
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organizer. And I imagine you have people
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audience with the balloons and stuff
joining in with the beach balls. Has there

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been any discussion about how to make that
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Okay, well, thanks for your question. So
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audience interaction, in some sense,
because it's quite time, time. And so our

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show is really more of a play. And we do
have set up all the experiments

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afterwards. So people can come up
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experiments, ask about them and stuff like
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and things like that, with respect to
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just on Tuesday. So there's some thing
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tap. And, you know, the science on tap
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they're in a specific Irish pub here in
Bonn. They've been doing this for quite

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some time. And they switch to the online
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actually did a show on Tuesday. And we did
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And then we did it kind of like so the
actual story was based on a show that we

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already had in astronomy that was involved
a store, actually. And people came into

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the store and you tried to buy a sun and a
planet, and then you'd want it to design

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it so that you could actually live on this
planet and so on. So now this store that

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already existed, and as a story, at least,
the store just went online. And so then we

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did we had an online store, and then we
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were just bananas, but whatever. And, but
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the various people of the store, they were
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the lecture hall, actually doing
experiments. And so we did this for the

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first time on Tuesday, it was like a half
an hour. And I thought it worked

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surprisingly well. So there were some
technical problems with cameras in the

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sense of picture quality image quality.
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And there has been no your science fun
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the other guys are doing right now.

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It's something that I think that we've got
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looking at quite a lot for the for the
festivals that we run where we run the

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science pavilions and for IHS as well
trying to not just have a series of

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talking heads, people talking at the
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kind of making it a little bit more
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advising people on using social media in
advance and saying, we're going to be

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doing this workshop later on. I don't know
the physics chocolate. You can join along

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with us. Make sure you've got this much
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whatever they would use. So I very
interested to hear how that went with a

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with a bar with a pub and the four
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idea that I kind of had. So thanks for
sharing that. So, so send me an

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email, and we can I just have a chat next
week. So I was surprised that it worked

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really well. So we actually use the
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thing as part of the story. And so it
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intimately connected, and I thought that
made it work really well. Yeah.

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Herbert, I want one question, which is
seem a little bit similar. Do you have the

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video of this two hour show on the time
travel through the history of particle

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physics? Is it somewhere online?

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we use a Music to underline the
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the rights to show that music on stage,
but we don't have the rights to show that

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music online. So contact me, you know,
privately if you wish, and I can show you

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where you can watch it. And then but
you're not allowed to share it. Okay that

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maybe I should mention one more thing we
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did a musical for the first time. I forgot
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actually had four physics students on
stage singing. And we had a live orchestra

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on stage as well. And we were supposed to
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performances last year kind of trying it
out. And then we're supposed to go big in

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March. And it was actually the day of the
first show was the day of the first Corona

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incident infection registered in Poland
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stop it. So that's something that's still
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I have another question because One one
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impressed. Because how did it how does it
work that you can recruit so many students

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to this extensive

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show activity.

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So, we haven't bought on typically like
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physics. And that's, that's kind of normal
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mean, Sasha is there and it's probably
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it's plus or minus 50. And so about 20,
every year, and of those 20 and then

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continue longer term. So we have every
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also they stay undergrad and grad school
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that are there for eight years, and
they're then super experienced, and these

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are the more experienced students pass on
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in the physics show. Do they get some
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once in their transcripts.

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So we I think we have one more question
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your hand, Connie,

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I did. Yes. Sorry. You've all got your
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working gear, so I don't think it's the
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yeah, Herbie, do you have? Are you getting
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both the Oxford group and the group seemed
quite active. Do you? Do you have any

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requests for doing over the next month?
online? Is that something you're actively

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looking at? Or are you kind of just not
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hoping that things will kind of pick up in
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So um, so this astronomy on top thing just
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beyond that, I mean, we're in middle of
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handful, just you know, with all the
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all online and, and so what we decided to
do since all our travel has been

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cancelled, we just thought we take the
opportunity to develop a completely new

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show. So we wanted I was mentioned we were
talking about that before the thing

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started. Before the broadcast started, we
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origin of the elements. So Big Bang
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that's what we've been putting our effort
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you, it looks like this is gonna last for
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start thinking about online. How to
connect online with people? Yeah. an

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entertaining way.

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It's challenging. Yeah. And entertaining
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way. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I'm gonna
connect with you separately. I think

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you've got some great ideas there. And
maybe we can come up with something

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interesting.

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So we do for example, an annual Christmas
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traveled a bit with that. We're scheduled
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don't know if that's going to happen now.
But so now what we're also working on is

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that something we thought people would get
interested in and we have a half year to

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prepare for that is to do an online
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Single along

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since you're new do these students on
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together at the end?

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We have one more question from do I think
we should make this the last one because

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we are a bit behind time. But over to you.
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Congrats. He's really fascinating. I was
really I was wondering who's writing the

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shows? Maybe you already said it the other
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it like a collaborative effort?

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So a good question. I did not say that
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know, the young students put on the
students right the show, so well. You You

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just have a meeting in the beginning where
I'm there and we just discussed the

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basics, how it's set up and where the
support structure and, and we try to agree

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on a theme. So each show has a theme. So
I'm still a bit there for when we discuss

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the themes. So to also tell them you know,
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on. And then they develop the show
completely on their own. And then when the

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rehearsals happen, a lot of the show is
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have we usually rehearse like 10 days or
almost two weeks before the first

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performance, and a lot of the show gets
evolves during the rehearsals also and I'm

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sometimes they're doing rehearsals, but
it's really the students. But the big

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particle physics show that we've been
traveling with, I'm mainly the only

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particle physicists. I wrote that
completely. But now for example, the

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musical which which is an Astro theme, you
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on. There's there's three astronomy grad
students in the physics show and they

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wrote that completely. And there's someone
that have music experience, they read

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Rhodes existing songs, the lyrics. And so
as far as possible, the students do write

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the shows. And part of that also is just
because that brings in lots more ideas and

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they're also age wise much closer to our
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That's great. Thanks.

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Thanks so much Herbie. So next time